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CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3149	Posted - 2016.06.07 15:04:15 - [1] - Quote Axhind wrote: Any chance you guys can switch over to vulkan? Would be very nice not to be tied down to windows (especially with recent MS ambitions to become a NSA partner). At some time in the maybe-not-so-distant-but-still-a-fair-bit-away future, then DirectX 11, OpenGL and Metal, will start to show their age. APIs such as Vulkan and DirectX 12 will then take over. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3149	Posted - 2016.06.07 15:07:57 - [2] - Quote Elenahina wrote: So quick question. How can I know if I'm using the old launcher or the new one? I'm already on win 7 so switching is fine but I do see the news links so I assume I'm on the new one. If I am on the new one then I'm good to go. It works fine for me. Is the login box on the far-left (old) or somewhere in the middle (new/current)? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3149	Posted - 2016.06.07 15:12:07 - [3] - Quote Mykale Kwijybow wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Resinball wrote: IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that **. UI , system and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that ** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE. I couldn't agree more. If CCP discontinues support for Windows 7, I will stop playing EVE. I am already considering going PS4 instead of buying a new PC, as I completely disagree with the Windows 10 ideology. We will at some point in the future stop supporting Windows 7. Perhaps distant future, but we are not supporting it forever. By comparison then Microsoft's extended support for Windows XP ended in April 8 2014 and we are ending Windows XP support in June 2016. Microsoft's extended support for Windows 7 ends in January 2020 so we possibly might end Windows 7 support in March 2022. But I'm not making commitments whatsoever on an exact date (or year). Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3149	Posted - 2016.06.07 15:16:40 - [4] - Quote Kabaos wrote: I wonder whether it is possible to influence CCP this venture or "truck" do not care. How much should vote for or against. Or decisions are made without an appeal. I'm not sure what your question is, but we have a timeline on changes we want to make to our infrastructure and the old launcher will stop working once those changes are made. This is why we posted this notice well in advance of starting that work, which will be ongoing over the summer. In early fall/autumn the work will be complete. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3152	Posted - 2016.06.09 15:13:00 - [5] - Quote Amak Boma wrote: windows vista support ended not long ago at all so why you discontinue supporting vista at all ? theres one vista package thats supported to 2017 afaik . WILL game still run on windows vista at all or it will give just message "sorry you are running outdated and obsolete system please upgrade to higher to play this game" or we will be allowed to keep going? what will be done exacly What we are doing exactly is that we are deprecating the old EVE Launcher. The timeline is approx. as follows: Feb - Announcement Jun - Reminder Jul - Download links removed Aug - Backend systems changed, old launcher stops working We are not going to block operating systems that are not supported in the new EVE Launcher. If it works then you can use it. That being said: We know for a fact that the framework we use in the new launcher, Qt, doesn't work on Windows XP in the manner we are using it. We decided that given the age of Windows XP and the low usage by now, it was not worth the effort to support Windows XP anymore. Another reason to stop supporting Windows XP that was a part of the overall decision is detailed in our https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/directx-9-phase-out/ dev blog. In the first few builds of the new launcher it didn't work on Windows Vista. It turned out to be just a single function call that we changed so it would work, and in all likelihood the new launcher will continue to work on Windows Vista. But we won't be testing it. The usage of Windows Vista is very little by now and we can't justify the testing effort any longer. If we inadvertently break it on Windows Vista you can file a bug report and we'll look into fixing issues that come up. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3153	Posted - 2016.06.09 15:27:15 - [6] - Quote Drazz Caylen wrote: Can you give us a list of what exactly you do that won't work on windows XP any more or is it just the new launcher you're trying to force on people that will read "winXP" and go "nope" ? It's more fundamental than that; we're not checking the OS and blocking Windows XP, it's simply that the framework we use in the new launcher, Qt, doesn't work on Windows XP in the manner we are using it so the application (the new launcher) won't run. Drazz Caylen wrote: How long will you be supporting Windows Vista and 7 ? So far I'm not the least bit convinced to upgrade to anything past 7. In fact, I'm more likely to change to Linux if Vulkan runs as smooth as planned. We are stopping support for Windows Vista at the same time as Windows XP. However, unlike Windows XP and similar to Windows 2000 back in the day then Windows Vista will continue to work for some time. We may possibly support Windows 7 until 2022 but we haven't laid out a timeline for it. Drazz Caylen wrote: What is the percentage of people using Windows Vista and 7 playing Eve compared to 8 and 10? Windows 10- 51.6% Windows 8.1- 8.3% Windows 8- 1.0% Windows 7- 37.6% Windows Vista- 0.6% Windows XP- 0.8% Drazz Caylen wrote: I remember when you phased out windows 2000 support. The game still worked after you officially discontinued it, but made the point hat support cannot help you to get it working. Back then there was no launcher to annoy us, so now you tie it to the launcher. See Windows 2000 comment above. The decision to phase out Windows XP stemmed from the new EVE Launcher and the DX9 phase-out plan https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/directx-9-phase-out/ Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3153	Posted - 2016.06.09 15:30:43 - [7] - Quote Drazz Caylen wrote: Amak Boma wrote: what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3157	Posted - 2016.06.09 15:36:22 - [8] - Quote Hal Morsh wrote: 3.2% of the playerbase uses vista or XP still?? That was me a month or two ago. Table here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6522954#post6522954 Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3157	Posted - 2016.06.09 15:39:00 - [9] - Quote tearshed wrote: CCP, you still haven't answered. What about Steam users? We will be updating the launcher that Steam uses in July. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3158	Posted - 2016.06.09 15:48:39 - [10] - Quote Juana Cavin-Guang wrote: Quote: On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher, which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Okay, fair enough. This is quite understandable. Quote: Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher. Hey now, hold up just a second here! Just because you will no longer provide support for the OS doesn't mean you should go out of your way to PREVENT anybody using that OS from running Eve. At the very least, change it such that running Eve is done at the user's own risk, and any issues or degraded performance of Eve that arise from using the unsupported OS will not be addressed by the developer team, and all issues involving crashes/etc. will NOT be refunded, even in instances where if the same issue is present in a currently supported OS that would ordinarily warrant a refund (such as losing a ship due to the issue, etc.). I can completely understand dropping support, yes, but please let the users attempt it anyway at their own risk, with perhaps a few additional notes and additional limitations to preventing abuse and encourage them to upgrade. The "we don't support it therefore we prevent unsupported ones from ever using our software" dogma that plagues the mobile market should be left as a mobile market unique problem, and not expand to other types of software. This will be the case for Windows Vista; it will no longer be supported but will probably work for a while. We know for a fact this will not be the case for Windows XP, the application doesn't work on Windows XP. We are not explicitly blocking certain operating systems, we simply know if they work or not. The new EVE Launcher won't work on Windows XP, it will work (at least for some time) on Windows Vista but we are not going to be testing it, and then there is the list of supported operating systems, from Windows 7 onwards. For more details, please refer to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6522815#post6522815 Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer



CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3159	Posted - 2016.06.10 08:56:57 - [11] - Quote Drazz Caylen wrote: I'd like to thank CCP Explorer for providing that information, it is truly appreciated. I'd like to give an extra thanks for posting the stats. I would almost bet money that before Windows 10 was available, the vast majority had Windows 7. Not sure if I would categorize it as vast, but Windows 7 was clearly in the lead ahead of Windows 8 / 8.1 at the time of the release of Windows 10, and while Windows 7 just continued its steady decline then Windows 8 / 8.1 dropped in usage. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3159	Posted - 2016.06.10 09:05:17 - [12] - Quote Everyone who has a specific issue using the new Launcher, e.g., SSL errors or migration questions; please post a new topic here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=7296 Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3159	Posted - 2016.06.12 13:02:03 - [13] - Quote Lari Wolf wrote: From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google. Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP? Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher. Lari Wolf wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Drazz Caylen wrote: Amak Boma wrote: what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher. Replacing "repair tool" will be created? No, there won't be a separate tool, the new launcher patches, verifies integrity and repairs. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3160	Posted - 2016.06.13 10:00:53 - [14] - Quote Kebur Valeren wrote: Lari Wolf wrote: Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? CCP Explorer wrote: Yes, that will work. Could you clarify something please, because the wording of the announcement is a bit odd. Basically, the launcher currently (and I suspect the new version is no different) serves two purposes: update the client and launch it. The announcement says that it will be not possible to "launch the client" from the new launcher. That raises two questions: 1) Would it be still possible to launch the client directly, not using the new launcher? Seems that gets a "yes" from a dev. Yes; but we can't guarantee for how long that will work. At some point the game client itself will start to use functionality only available in Windows 7 and newer, or we remove the login functionality from the game client and require logins to happen through the launcher. But for now it will work on Windows XP, but is not supported. Kebur Valeren wrote: 2) Would it be possible to use the new launcher for updating? That is unclear - if yes, then basically XP users are only losing the ability to launch a client from the launcher, which is not a big deal. If no, then what could be used for updating the client? It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3160	Posted - 2016.06.13 11:32:39 - [15] - Quote Kebur Valeren wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP. So there will be no way to update the client on XP (like old-times style, when patches could have been simply downloaded and run), correct? Correct; we are sunsetting Windows XP and not supporting it anymore. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3160	Posted - 2016.06.13 22:49:41 - [16] - Quote Drazz Caylen wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher. But how? If the repair.exe will cease to work, and the old launcher will be deleted and the new launcher not functioning on Windows XP, what other options are there? Does it mean that Windows XP can still play eve until the first hotfix comes in, which might as well be the next day? Does it mean that manually downloading files from a sneaky community effort like www.eve-xp-lives.net will provide the changed files per patch to download and overwrite manually? Or is there another way that is legit? There will be no official supported mechanism to update on Windows XP. The last day of support is 30 June. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3160	Posted - 2016.06.14 15:14:20 - [17] - Quote Drazz Caylen wrote: Fair enough, as far as official statements go. You still said there would be ways to update Windows XP, albeit unsupported. I never said that. I said "you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher". I never said any such possibilities existed to my knowledge. Drazz Caylen wrote: Translated this means you can't give an official response because you're likely bound by the company to not give any further details. It's understandable. All that is left now is for the community to figure out a way for windows XP after the 30th to continue patching. Unfortunate for the playerbase that you can't give a list of CLEARLY UNSUPPORTED possibilities to continue patching. My best bet remains manual file overwrites or something the like. This is the official response. We are sunsetting Windows XP support and the reason I can't give you "a list of CLEARLY UNSUPPORTED possibilities to continue patching" is that I don't know of any. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3161	Posted - 2016.06.30 13:47:31 - [18] - Quote Amak Boma wrote: as vista player, will i be able to still launch game or launcher will say something like this "sorry o your system is obsolete and outdated and game no longer supported for this system" ? how exacly will look end of support, if launcher gets borked we wont get any help to repair stuff? can you explain from technical side? Windows XP: Until we make changes on the backend system that the old Launcher relies on then you will be able to use and launch the game. When we make those changes, later this summer or early fall, then you won't be able to continue using the old Launcher and the new Launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. Windows Vista: You will be able to use the new Launcher on Windows Vista and the launcher and the game client will continue to work until we make changes (none are currently planned) that are incompatible. To summarise, we are not checking and blocking these older operating systems but we are using functionality that is only available in Windows Vista and later (for now, at some point in the future we will rely on Windows 7 and later). Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3164	Posted - 2016.07.01 15:03:20 - [19] - Quote Xian Kaioku Khardula wrote: Even though the new launcher is out, will the old launcher still update until eventually updates are dropped on the old launcher? All I get is, this launcher is no longer supported. I've backed up my settings of course. :P Yes, changing and removing backend systems that the old Launcher relies on will only happen as a part of ongoing development if and as those old systems hinder that development. That will happen probably happen in early to mid August. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3167	Posted - 2016.08.21 16:27:40 - [20] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Drazz Caylen wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Windows XP: Until we make changes on the backend system that the old Launcher relies on then you will be able to use and launch the game. When we make those changes, later this summer or early fall. CCP Falcon wrote: On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to update and launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher This is where things get funny; Yesterday I hooked up my old Windows XP machine because I had to test something (and pulled some files I forgot to pull) and thought to myself "oh why the hell not" and patched Eve online in the meantime ...using the old launcher No, I am not trolling. I do get a nice big announcement smack dab in the middle of the screen that tells me things won't work, but I was still able to successfully patch, launch and play the game without any issues. How is that possible? And the question remains now, what have you NOT changed? Because it can't be the reason that I'm still able to play and patch eve online on the old computer only because I have a DX11 compatible graphics card in there, if you said you're shutting the launcher down on a software level through changes on the backend system. Mind you, this is not a complaint at all. It is sheer curiosity of inquisitive nature. Because by all means and by everything you said, this should NOT be possible. But it happened. This beckons the questions what the actual changes were. I don't think it's as simple as having a certain VCredist or a .NET framework installed, but damned if I know, sometimes it's the simplest of things. They just aren't going to test if any possible changes break the old launcher. It may still work for the time being, but if it stops working, the devs won't care and won't fix it. They're not specifically disabling it. This ^. Work is pending for the fall where support will explicitly break. Those changes will be deployed without further notification. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer



CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3168	Posted - 2016.08.23 16:39:36 - [21] - Quote Drazz Caylen wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Work is pending for the fall where support will explicitly break. Those changes will be deployed without further notification. CCP Falcon said the game will be unplayable for XP and Vista post 30th of June, or didn't he? Wasn't that an inaccurate statement then? I mean I would have known 2 people who would have been able to spend more than a month in the game if they'd knew that. He was in no position to promise any support beyond 30th of June, the work that would explicitly break support was committed to but the date was not set exactly. From his viewpoint this was the most prudent messaging. Drazz Caylen wrote: If I can make a careful suggestion, then please mention as a permanent "last message" that windows XP and Vista playability has died once you make that change to the backend system. Because on the old launcher, you still see the most up-to-date news. I don't think another news entry written in 2 minutes is going to hurt your time tremendously. Because it still could happen that you have to postpone something in your schedule, and it will still work longer as expected, who knows? We have already communicated end of Windows XP support and the Old Launcher will stop to function at some point in the near future without further communication. Windows Vista will continue to work with the New Launcher for some time, possibly even years but we are not testing on Windows Vista anymore so I won't be able to tell you right before it breaks. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 3185	Posted - 2016.11.03 13:57:52 - [22] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Work is pending for the fall where support will explicitly break. Those changes will be deployed without further notification. As some may have noticed those changes were deployed on 2 Nov. The old launcher now doesn't display a login box anymore and various other features in it have been disabled. A couple of things will continue to work until Jan when we sunset the old launcher's backend. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Senior Development Director \| EVE Online // CCP Games \| @CCP_Explorer

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